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Categories for discussion (CfD) is the central venue for discussing specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories and stub types in accordance with the guidelines for categorization, category naming and stub articles.
For detailed instructions about using CfD, see "How to use CfD" below. Briefly, nominations are handled through one of two processes:
- Speedy renaming and merging, for uncontroversial proposals that meet specified criteria—see "Speedy renaming and merging" below.
- Full discussion, for all other proposals. Discussions typically remain open for at least seven days and are closed once a rough consensus has formed or no objections to the nomination are raised.
Except in uncontroversial cases such as reverting vandalism, do not amend or depopulate a category once it has been nominated at CfD as this hampers other editors' efforts to evaluate a category and participate in the discussion.
When a category is renamed or merged with another category, in limited circumstances it may be helpful to leave an instance of the {{Category redirect|...}} template on the category's former page. See "Redirecting categories" below for more information.
Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a CfD request that is limited in scope to renaming, as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the request closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of a CfD move discussion to determine whether or not the close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines. CfDs involving deletion should be reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion review.
Scope
[edit]CfD is intended only for specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories or stub types. For general discussion about how to improve the category system, use other appropriate venues such as Wikipedia talk:Categorization, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, and any relevant WikiProjects' talk pages.
Current discussions
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Discussions awaiting closure
[edit]- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 21 (22 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 19 (3 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 16 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 15 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 14 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 11 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 10 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 6 (1 open)
See also the list of individual discussions awaiting closure here and the list of full open discussions awaiting closure here.
How to use CfD
[edit]Nomination procedure
[edit]Twinkle
[edit]You may use Twinkle to facilitate CfD nominations. To install Twinkle, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and check "Twinkle" in the "Browsing" section. Use the now-installed "XfD" (Start a deletion discussion) tab while viewing the page you want to nominate.
Twinkle only allows you to nominate a single category or stub template. For bundled nominations including multiple categories, see § MassCFD.
MassCFD
[edit]You can use the script User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/massXFD to automatically make mass nominations.
Manual nominations
[edit]I | Preliminary steps.
Before nominating a category:
In the following special cases:
For further information, see Wikipedia:Categorization and Wikipedia:Manual of Style. |
II | Edit the category.
Add one of the following templates at the beginning of the category page (not the talk page) of every category to be discussed. For nominations involving large numbers of categories, help adding these templates can be requested here.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) to copy and paste one of the templates below. When inserting category names into these template's parameters, except the
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Stub types
[edit]I | Preliminary steps.
In general, a stub type consists of a stub template and a dedicated stub category. Before nominating a stub type for deletion, merging or renaming:
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II | Edit the template.
Add one of the following tags at the beginning of the template to be discussed.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) and paste the following text (remember to update the default parameters):
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Notifying interested projects and editors
[edit]In addition to the steps listed above, you may choose to invite participation by editors who are likely to be informed about a nominated category. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing. In addition, to help make your messages about the CfD discussion clear, avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations, link to relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the discussion itself.
- Notifying related WikiProjects
WikiProjects consist of groups of editors who are interested in a particular subject. If a nominated category is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, consider adding a brief, neutral note on their talk page(s) about the nomination. You may use {{subst:cfd notice|Category name|2025 January 29|CfD section name}} ~~~~
or write a personalized message.
Tagging the nominated category's talk page with a relevant WikiProject's banner will include the category in that WikiProject's Article Alerts if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a nominated category with {{WikiProject Physics}} will add the discussion to Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.
- Notifying substantial contributors to the category
While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and main contributors of the category that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, check the category's page history or talk page. You may use {{Cfd notice}}
to inform the category's creator and all other editors.
- Notifying other interested editors
It may be helpful to invite other subject-matter experts by posting a message on the talk page of the most closely related article, such as Protein family for Category:Protein families. You may use {{Cfdnotice}}
for this.
Closing procedure
[edit]After seven days, someone will close the discussion according to the consensus that formed or, if needed, relist it to allow more discussion. Editors closing discussions must follow the administrator instructions and, except in the case of a "keep" or "no consensus" outcome, implement the result or log it at the Working page to ensure it is implemented.
Redirecting categories
[edit]In general, an unpopulated category should be deleted (see speedy deletion criterion C1) because it is not useful for navigation and sorting. In limited circumstances, and because categories cannot be redirected using "hard" redirects (i.e. #REDIRECT[[''target'']]
), we use a form of "soft redirect" to solve the issue. You can create a category redirect by adding {{Category redirect|target}}
to the category page. Bots patrol these categories and move articles into the "redirect" targets.
In particular, category redirects are used at the former category name when we convert hyphens into en dashes (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations). It is also helpful to set up category redirects from titles with plain letters (i.e. characters on a standard keyboard) where the category names include diacritics.
A list of redirected categories is available at Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories.
Speedy renaming and merging
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Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.
- Determine which speedy criterion applies
- Tag category page with
{{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
or{{subst:cfm-speedy|Merge target}}
- List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page
Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points, but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.
Requests may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.
Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g., "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}
with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E may also be processed instantly (at the discretion of an administrator) as it is a variation on G7.
To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:
- Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~
You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead, you should edit the section WP:Categories for discussion#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here or the page WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here (WP:CFDS). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search WP:CFDS to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion, but unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments, but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy.
Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be untagged and delisted after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}
. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.
If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.
Speedy criteria
[edit]The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:
C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes
[edit]- Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
- Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
- Correction of obvious grammatical errors, such as a missing conjunction (e.g. Individual frogs toads → Individual frogs and toads). This includes pluralizing a noun in the name of a set category, but not when disagreement might reasonably be anticipated as to whether the category is a topic or set category.
C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices
[edit]- Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
- Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).
C2C: Consistency with established category tree names
[edit]Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names
- This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
- This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
- This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).
C2D: Consistency with main article's name
[edit]- Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
- This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
- unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
- uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if the result would be contrary to guidelines at WP:CATNAME, or there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
- This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
- Before nominating a category to be renamed per WP:C2D, consider whether it makes more sense to move the article instead of the category.
C2E: Author request
[edit]- This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
- The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.
C2F: One eponymous page
[edit]- This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article, list, template or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use
{{subst:cfm-speedy}}
(speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article). When listing the nomination at WP:CFDS, you must manually add all the appropriate parent categories as targets if the member page is not already in them.
Admin instructions
[edit]When handling the listings:
- Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
- With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
- Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.
If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.
Applying speedy criteria in full discussions
[edit]- A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
- The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
- No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
- If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.
Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here
[edit]If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.
If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.
Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:
* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:
* REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
To note that human action is required, e.g. updating a template that populates the category, use:
* NO BOTS [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
Remember to tag the category page with: {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 22:37, 27 January 2025 (UTC). Currently, there are 13,635 open requests (. )
Administrators and page movers: Do not use the "Move" tab to move categories listed here!Categories are processed following the 48-hour waiting period and are moved by a bot. |
Current requests
[edit]Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).
- Category:United States Trade Representatives to Category:United States trade representatives – C2B, per MOS:JOBTITLES. Woko Sapien (talk) 22:31, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:June 1874 events by country to Category:June 1874 by country – C2C: With parent categories of Category:June by year/Category:July by year/Category:August by year/Category:September by year and per the relevant recent CfD. This should be the last batch of the months by year, but there may still be more misc cleanup that wasn't in these relevant sub categories. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:51, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Sports players in New Westminster by team to Category:Sportspeople in New Westminster by team – C2C. User:Namiba 18:23, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Newfoundland Growlers basketball players to Category:Newfoundland Growlers (basketball) players – C2D: Newfoundland Growlers (basketball) is the article name and there is already Category:Newfoundland Growlers players for the ice hockey players. User:Namiba 17:53, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:X Games athletes to Category:X Games competitors – C2C: other Category:Competitors at multi-sport events categories Kaffet i halsen (talk) 17:10, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Personal secretaries to the President of the United States to Category:Personal secretaries to the president of the United States – C2B, per MOS:JOBTITLES. Woko Sapien (talk) 16:30, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Assistants to the President of the United States to Category:Assistants to the president of the United States
- Category:Military aides to the President of the United States to Category:Military aides to the president of the United States
- Category:Physicians to the President of the United States to Category:Physicians to the president of the United States
- Category:Senior advisors to the President of Afghanistan to Category:Senior advisors to the president of Afghanistan
- Category:Advisers to the President of Russia to Category:Advisers to the president of Russia
- Category:Aides to the President of Russia to Category:Aides to the president of Russia
- Category:Ministers in Assistance to the President of Marshall Islands to Category:Ministers in assistance to the president of Marshall Islands
- Category:1275 in art to Category:1275 in the arts and Category:Years of the 13th century in art – C2F: per eponymous articles –Aidan721 (talk) 13:40, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:1310 in art to Category:1310 in the arts and Category:Years of the 14th century in art
- Category:1561 in art to Category:1561 in the arts, Category:1560s in art, and Category:Years of the 16th century in art
- Category:1574 in art to Category:1574 in the arts, Category:1570s in art, and Category:Years of the 16th century in art
- Category:1587 in art to Category:1587 in the arts, Category:1580s in art, and Category:Years of the 16th century in art
- Category:1589 in art to Category:1589 in the arts, Category:1580s in art, and Category:Years of the 16th century in art
- Category:1613 in art to Category:1613 in the arts, Category:1610s in art, and Category:Years of the 17th century in art
- Category:1679 in art to Category:1679 in the arts, Category:1670s in art, and Category:Years of the 17th century in art
- Category:1680 in art to Category:1680 in the arts, Category:1680s in art, and Category:Years of the 17th century in art
- Category:1681 in art to Category:1681 in the arts, Category:1680s in art, and Category:Years of the 17th century in art
- Category:1683 in art to Category:1683 in the arts, Category:1680s in art, and Category:Years of the 17th century in art
- Category:1691 in art to Category:1691 in the arts, Category:1690s in art, and Category:Years of the 17th century in art
- Category:1693 in art to Category:1693 in the arts, Category:1690s in art, and Category:Years of the 17th century in art
- Category:1696 in art to Category:1696 in the arts, Category:1690s in art, and Category:Years of the 17th century in art
- Category:1698 in art to Category:1698 in the arts, Category:1690s in art, and Category:Years of the 17th century in art
- Category:1699 in art to Category:1699 in the arts, Category:1690s in art, and Category:Years of the 17th century in art
- Category:1700 in art to Category:1700 in the arts, Category:1700s in art, and Category:Years of the 17th century in art
- Category:1701 in art to Category:1701 in the arts, Category:1700s in art, and Category:Years of the 18th century in art
- Category:1702 in art to Category:1702 in the arts, Category:1700s in art, and Category:Years of the 18th century in art
- Category:1703 in art to Category:1703 in the arts, Category:1700s in art, and Category:Years of the 18th century in art
- Category:1704 in art to Category:1704 in the arts, Category:1700s in art, and Category:Years of the 18th century in art
- Category:1705 in art to Category:1705 in the arts, Category:1700s in art, and Category:Years of the 18th century in art
- Category:1706 in art to Category:1706 in the arts, Category:1700s in art, and Category:Years of the 18th century in art
- Category:1707 in art to Category:1707 in the arts, Category:1700s in art, and Category:Years of the 18th century in art
- Category:1712 in art to Category:1712 in the arts, Category:1710s in art, and Category:Years of the 18th century in art
- Category:1713 in art to Category:1713 in the arts, Category:1710s in art, and Category:Years of the 18th century in art
- Category:1718 in art to Category:1718 in the arts, Category:1710s in art, and Category:Years of the 18th century in art
- Category:1721 in art to Category:1721 in the arts, Category:1720s in art, and Category:Years of the 18th century in art
- Category:1726 in art to Category:1726 in the arts, Category:1720s in art, and Category:Years of the 18th century in art
- Category:1734 in art to Category:1734 in the arts, Category:1730s in art, and Category:Years of the 18th century in art
- Category:Sporting teams based on the Gold Coast, Queensland to Category:Sports clubs and teams on the Gold Coast, Queensland – C2C: Category:Sports clubs and teams in Australia by populated place Kaffet i halsen (talk) 09:53, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Sports clubs and teams in Kara to Category:Sports clubs and teams in Kara, Togo – C2D: Kara, Togo Kaffet i halsen (talk) 09:40, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Sports teams in Astana to Category:Sports clubs and teams in Astana – C2C: Category:Sports clubs and teams by populated place Kaffet i halsen (talk) 09:32, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Ctrip people to Category:Trip.com Group people - C2D: Trip.com Group Ђидо (talk) 07:48, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Members of the National Council (Slovakia) 2012-2016 to Category:Members of the National Council (Slovakia) 2012–2016 – C2A. FromCzech (talk) 05:20, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Cissomela to Category:Meliphagidae – C2F: Cissomela is a monotypic genus. jlwoodwa (talk) 02:36, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Eulabeornis to Category:Rallidae – C2F: Eulabeornis is a monotypic genus. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:46, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Canirallus to Category:Rallidae – C2F: Canirallus is a monotypic genus. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:44, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Blossom (TV series) episode redirects to lists to Category:Blossom (American TV series) episode redirects to lists – C2D. Main article was moved to Blossom (American TV series) a month ago, uncontested. Note - I erroneously moved the category members to the new category name before I realised that I couldn't rename the category myself. Jameboy (talk) 01:42, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Antigone (genus) to Category:Antigone (bird) – C2D. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:35, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Pavo (genus) to Category:Pavo (bird) – C2D.
- Category:Penelope (genus) to Category:Penelope (bird) – C2D.
- Oppose these
twothree. These are in fact names of genera. They are bird genera, but the more specific disambiguation is better here. C2D does not mean categories must match their parent articles. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:29, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose these
- Category:Aburria to Category:Cracidae – C2F: Aburria is a monotypic genus. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:05, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Metropolitans of Moscow and all Russia to Category:Metropolitans of Moscow and all Rus' – C2D: Main article Patriarch of Moscow and all Rus'. Before 1589, the patriarchs were called 'metropolitans'. "Russia" is an anachronistic mistranslation of Руси (Rusi > of Rus'). Only Росси́я (Rossíja) and its variations should be translated as "Russia". NLeeuw (talk) 00:45, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:1546 in music to Category:1546 in the arts and Category:1540s in music – C2F –Aidan721 (talk) 23:47, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:1460 in science to Category:1460 and Category:1460s in science – C2F –Aidan721 (talk) 23:25, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:October 2012 events by continent to Category:October 2012 by continent – C2C. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:39, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Columbina (genus) to Category:Columbina (bird) – C2D. jlwoodwa (talk) 21:37, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. Name is that of a genus. C2D does not mean category names must match article names. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:36, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Macropsalis to Category:Caprimulgidae – C2F: Macropsalis is a monotypic genus. jlwoodwa (talk) 21:04, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Aceros to Category:Hornbills – C2F: Aceros is a monotypic genus. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:51, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Leucippus (bird) to Category:Hummingbirds – C2F: Leucippus is a monotypic genus. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:48, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Amazilis to Category:Hummingbirds – C2F: Amazilis is a monotypic genus. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:47, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:1906 events in Spain by month to Category:1906 in Spain by month – C2C: Europe categories events categories per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 14#Category:Events by month BlasterOfHouses (HouseBlaster's alt • talk • he/they) 20:27, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Schoutedenapus to Category:Apodidae – C2F: Schoutedenapus is a monotypic genus. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:40, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Apus (genus) to Category:Apus (bird) – C2D. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:37, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. Name is that of a genus. C2D does not mean category names must match article names. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:36, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Cereopsis to Category:Anserinae – C2F: Cereopsis is a monotypic genus. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:29, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Spatula (genus) to Category:Spatula (bird) – C2D
- Category:Aix (genus) to Category:Aix (bird) – C2D
- Category:Clanga (genus) to Category:Clanga (bird) – C2D
- Category:Aquila (genus) to Category:Aquila (bird) – C2D
- Oppose these four. Name is that of a genus. C2D does not mean category names must match article names. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:36, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Megalapteryx to Category:Megalapteryginae – C2F: Megalapteryx is a monotypic genus. jlwoodwa (talk) 18:41, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Principal Private Secretaries to the Prime Minister to Category:Principal private secretaries to the prime minister – C2B, per MOS:JOBTITLES. Woko Sapien (talk) 16:51, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Principal Secretary to the Prime Minister of Pakistan to Category:Principal secretaries to the prime minister of Pakistan – C2B, pluralize and conform to MOS:JOBTITLES. Woko Sapien (talk) 16:01, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Edward Allen Bernero to Category:Television series created by Ed Bernero – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 15:49, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Films produced by Toshio Suzuki (producer) to Category:Films produced by Toshio Suzuki – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 15:49, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Mayors of the Gold Coast to Category:Mayors of the Gold Coast, Queensland – C2D (Gold Coast, Queensland) Graham87 (talk) 14:41, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Boxers from the Gold Coast to Category:Boxers from the Gold Coast, Queensland – C2D (Gold Coast, Queensland) Graham87 (talk) 14:41, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Mixed martial artists from the Gold Coast to Category:Mixed martial artists from the Gold Coast, Queensland – C2D (Gold Coast, Queensland) Graham87 (talk) 14:41, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Soccer players from Gold Coast, Queensland to Category:Soccer players from the Gold Coast, Queensland – C2C (Category:People from the Gold Coast, Queensland) Graham87 (talk) 14:41, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Swimmers from the Gold Coast to Category:Swimmers from the Gold Coast, Queensland – C2D (Gold Coast, Queensland) Graham87 (talk) 14:41, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Tennis people from the Gold Coast to Category:Tennis players from the Gold Coast, Queensland – C2C/C2D (Category:Australian tennis players, Gold Coast, Queensland) Graham87 (talk) 14:41, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Executed Roman royalty to Category:Executed ancient Roman royalty – C2E. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:28, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:BioArtists to Category:Bioartists – C2D. Frost 09:56, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:BioArt to Category:Bioart – C2D. Frost 09:56, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Radonjić-Rajićević family to Category:Radonjić–Rajićević family We use en-dashes for categories like this. – C2A. Mike Selinker (talk) 06:40, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Integrated Resorts by Country to Category:Integrated resorts by country – C2A _dk (talk) 05:25, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Integrated Resorts to Category:Integrated resorts
- Category:Integrated Resorts in Australia to Category:Integrated resorts in Australia
- Category:Integrated Resorts in China to Category:Integrated resorts in China
- Category:Integrated Resorts in Macau to Category:Integrated resorts in Macau
- Category:Integrated Resorts in Cyprus to Category:Integrated resorts in Cyprus
- Category:Integrated Resorts in Malaysia to Category:Integrated resorts in Malaysia
- Category:Integrated Resorts in Singapore to Category:Integrated resorts in Singapore
- Category:Integrated Resorts in the Bahamas to Category:Integrated resorts in the Bahamas
- Category:Integrated Resorts in the Philippines to Category:Integrated resorts in the Philippines
- Category:Integrated Resorts in Cebu City to Category:Integrated resorts in Cebu City
- Category:Integrated Resorts in Manila to Category:Integrated resorts in Manila
- Category:Integrated Resorts in the United Arab Emirates to Category:Integrated resorts in the United Arab Emirates
- Category:Integrated Resorts in the United States to Category:Integrated resorts in the United States
- Category:Integrated Resorts in the United States by state to Category:Integrated resorts in the United States by state
- Category:Integrated Resorts in California to Category:Integrated resorts in California
- Category:Integrated Resorts in Connecticut to Category:Integrated resorts in Connecticut
- Category:Integrated Resorts in Florida to Category:Integrated resorts in Florida
- Category:Integrated Resorts in Massachusetts to Category:Integrated resorts in Massachusetts
- Category:Integrated Resorts in Michigan to Category:Integrated resorts in Michigan
- Category:Integrated Resorts in Detroit to Category:Integrated resorts in Detroit
- Category:Integrated Resorts in Nevada to Category:Integrated resorts in Nevada
- Category:Integrated Resorts in Reno to Category:Integrated resorts in Reno
- Category:Integrated Resorts in the Las Vegas Valley to Category:Integrated resorts in the Las Vegas Valley
- Category:Defunct Integrated Resorts in the Las Vegas Valley to Category:Defunct integrated resorts in the Las Vegas Valley
- Category:Integrated Resorts in New Jersey to Category:Integrated resorts in New Jersey
- Category:Integrated Resorts in Atlantic City to Category:Integrated resorts in Atlantic City
- Category:Defunct Integrated Resorts in Atlantic City to Category:Defunct integrated resorts in Atlantic City
- Category:Integrated Resorts in New York to Category:Integrated resorts in New York
- @Underbar dk: shouldn't it become "casino hotels", C2D per Casino hotel? Marcocapelle (talk) 10:19, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: As far as I understand, an integrated resort is a type of casino hotel, and Category:Casino hotels already exists as a supercat of Category:Integrated Resorts _dk (talk) 15:48, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'd like to see them get merged to the Casino hotels tree as well, seems very much overlapping. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:36, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: As far as I understand, an integrated resort is a type of casino hotel, and Category:Casino hotels already exists as a supercat of Category:Integrated Resorts _dk (talk) 15:48, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Underbar dk: shouldn't it become "casino hotels", C2D per Casino hotel? Marcocapelle (talk) 10:19, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- I would have no problem renaming these categories to have a lower case r instead. That’s fine by me. The hospitality industry has changed and this term is now pretty much the norm, which is why I added these categories to begin with. I felt that the terminology was not up to date with the state of the industry. But the lower case r is fine and if there is precedent for it, then it’s fine by me. NevadaExpert (talk) 16:29, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Ok, and of course I do not oppose the lower case r either. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:48, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Ranodon to Category:Asiatic salamanders – C2F: Ranodon is a monotypic genus. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:52, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Indotyphlidae to Category:Grandisoniidae – C2D. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:45, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Deaflympic snowboarders by year to Category:Snowboards at the Deaflympic by year – C2C: Match subcategories and standard naming style of (foo) at the (event) by year. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:38, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
- Is this the correct destination? Snowboard(er)s and Deaflympic(s). It is also not the format of Foolympic fooers by year (e.g. Category:Winter Olympics competitors by sport and year). Kaffet i halsen (talk) 16:49, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
Opposed requests
[edit]- Category:South American Games competitors by year to Category:Competitors at the South American Games by year – C2C: Match subcategories and standard naming style of (foo) at the (event) by year. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:36, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Mediterranean Games competitors by year to Category:Competitors at the Mediterranean Games by year – C2C: Match subcategories and standard naming style of (foo) at the (event) by year. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:35, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Maccabiah Games competitors by year to Category:Competitors at the Maccabiah Games by year – C2C: Match subcategories and standard naming style of (foo) at the (event) by year. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:35, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:SEA Games competitors by year to Category:Competitors at the SEA Games by year – C2C: Match subcategories and standard naming style of (foo) at the (event) by year. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:34, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:European Games competitors by year to Category:Competitors at the European Games by year – C2C: Match subcategories and standard naming style of (foo) at the (event) by year. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:33, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Deaflympic competitors by year to Category:Competitors at the Deaflympic by year – C2C: Match subcategories and standard naming style of (foo) at the (event) by year. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:33, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
- Is this the correct destination? Deaflympic(s). It is also not the format of Foolympic competitors by year (e.g. Category:Olympic competitors by year). Kaffet i halsen (talk) 16:52, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Pan American Games competitors by year to Category:Competitors at the Pan American Games by year – C2C: Match subcategories and standard naming style of (foo) at the (event) by year. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:33, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Commonwealth Games competitors by year to Category:Competitors at the Commonwealth Games by year – C2C: Match subcategories and standard naming style of (foo) at the (event) by year. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:32, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose all nine, this is not the case in Category:Competitors at multi-sport events. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 17:09, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Ansonia (genus) to Category:Ansonia (frog) – C2D. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:56, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. Name is that of a genus. C2D does not require category names to match article names. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:36, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Blandford, Massachusetts to Category:Towns in Massachusetts and Category:Towns in Hampden County, Massachusetts – C2F: per eponymous articles –Aidan721 (talk) 18:14, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Bernardston, Massachusetts to Category:Towns in Massachusetts and Category:Towns in Franklin County, Massachusetts
- Category:Bellingham, Massachusetts to Category:Towns in Massachusetts and Category:Towns in Norfolk County, Massachusetts
- Category:Avon, Massachusetts to Category:Towns in Massachusetts and Category:Towns in Norfolk County, Massachusetts
- Category:Alford, Massachusetts to Category:Towns in Massachusetts and Category:Towns in Berkshire County, Massachusetts
- Consistency in the category structure outweighs the narrow reading of C2F. All 351 municipalities should have a category page. See WP:5P5. MetricHistory (talk) 18:46, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
- MetricHistory I don't think that the category structure is consistent in ignoring C2F Category:Colrain, Massachusetts, Category:East Brookfield, Massachusetts, Category:Goshen, Massachusetts, Category:Granville, Massachusetts and Category:Heath, Massachusetts, etc don't exist. TSventon (talk) 21:42, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
- Indeed. Objections were raised before I could achieve consistency. There are 351 municipalities, and I believe each should have a category page. The reason that should be true is to allow other elements of the category structure to achieve consistency. The pieces of the puzzle cannot lock together when pieces are missing. Having holes in the top level of a tree structure means you will have holes further down the chain. The fact that I ceased adding these alleged "violations" when asked should not be used against me by saying that I failed to add more "violations" thus achieving a consistent ignorance of the "rule". Let's not lose the forest for all the darn trees. MetricHistory (talk) 22:09, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
- MetricHistory I don't think that the category structure is consistent in ignoring C2F Category:Colrain, Massachusetts, Category:East Brookfield, Massachusetts, Category:Goshen, Massachusetts, Category:Granville, Massachusetts and Category:Heath, Massachusetts, etc don't exist. TSventon (talk) 21:42, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
- Consistency in the category structure outweighs the narrow reading of C2F. All 351 municipalities should have a category page. See WP:5P5. MetricHistory (talk) 18:46, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Television episodes about illegal drug trade to Category:Television episodes about the illegal drug trade - C2B/C2C: Category:Works about the illegal drug trade, etc. DoubleCross (‡) 16:35, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Television series about illegal drug trade to Category:Television series about the illegal drug trade - C2B/C2C. DoubleCross (‡) 16:35, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose the above two, one can also argue that the Works should be renamed the other way around. There is no clear standard. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:49, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian masters athletes to Category:Canadian masters track and field athletes – C2C: Category:Canadian track and field athletes Kaffet i halsen (talk) 19:57, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose, @Kaffet i halsen the issue is that athletics and track and field don't have the same meaning, we have separate wiki pages for both terms. For example marathon runners may belong in Category:Canadian masters athletes but they're not track and field athletes per se. --Habst (talk) 15:54, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- I find Category:Canadian marathon runners under Category:Canadian runners under Category:Canadian track and field athletes. In what way does masters marathon runners differ? This is the most recent discussion about the usage of (track and field) athletes for American/Canadian (as American is listed below). Kaffet i halsen (talk) 11:12, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Kaffet i halsen, all runners are track and field athletes, and all marathoners are runners, but not all marathoners are track and field athletes. This is nonsensical logically, but it's accurate linguistically in the way these words are currently used. To eliminate all confusion, I think that most American English "track and field" categories should be renamed to "track and field, cross country, or road racing" one day. --Habst (talk) 13:13, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Ok, unless that is brought up to discussion I meanwhile don't understand why there shall be a difference in between Category:Canadian athletes and Category:Canadian masters athletes. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 20:22, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Kaffet i halsen, all runners are track and field athletes, and all marathoners are runners, but not all marathoners are track and field athletes. This is nonsensical logically, but it's accurate linguistically in the way these words are currently used. To eliminate all confusion, I think that most American English "track and field" categories should be renamed to "track and field, cross country, or road racing" one day. --Habst (talk) 13:13, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- I find Category:Canadian marathon runners under Category:Canadian runners under Category:Canadian track and field athletes. In what way does masters marathon runners differ? This is the most recent discussion about the usage of (track and field) athletes for American/Canadian (as American is listed below). Kaffet i halsen (talk) 11:12, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose there is an entire tree of Category:Masters athletes. –Aidan721 (talk) 19:48, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, but this WP:ENGVAR shift athletes/track and field athletes also occurs in its siblings Category:Athletes by nationality, Category:Olympic athletes (track and field) by country, and alike. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 20:22, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose, @Kaffet i halsen the issue is that athletics and track and field don't have the same meaning, we have separate wiki pages for both terms. For example marathon runners may belong in Category:Canadian masters athletes but they're not track and field athletes per se. --Habst (talk) 15:54, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:American masters athletes to Category:American masters track and field athletes – C2C: Category:American track and field athletes Kaffet i halsen (talk) 17:21, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose, see Category:Canadian masters athletes above. --Habst (talk) 15:54, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Soviet avant-garde to Category:Soviet avant-garde artists – C2C: parent is Soviet artists SMasonGarrison 23:59, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy: There are also the sibling categories (within Category:Avant-garde art) Category:Russian avant-garde, Category:Serbian avant-garde and Category:Ukrainian avant-garde to consider. Ham II (talk) 19:58, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion
[edit]- Category:Possibly fictional pirates to Category:Pirates whose existence is disputed – C2C: parent is People whose existence is disputed SMasonGarrison 06:07, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy There are fare more subcategories of Category:People whose existence is disputed that use "Possibly fictional" than "whose existence is disputed", and therefore it's not a clear convention to apply C2C. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:33, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Those are all being renamed to match this parent. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 19#Category:Possibly fictional people from Europe SMasonGarrison 06:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- In that case we should wait until that is concluded and if it does then we can process this. Armbrust The Homunculus 23:48, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Those are all being renamed to match this parent. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 19#Category:Possibly fictional people from Europe SMasonGarrison 06:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy There are fare more subcategories of Category:People whose existence is disputed that use "Possibly fictional" than "whose existence is disputed", and therefore it's not a clear convention to apply C2C. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:33, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Stainton, south Cumbria to Category:Stainton, Westmorland and Furness – C2D: Match Stainton, Westmorland and Furness. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:23, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose ambiguous with Stainton, Dacre, see User talk:Hey man im josh#Stainton. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:11, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Postpone until we know the result of the proposed move of Stainton, Westmorland and Furness. Grutness...wha? 03:35, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- That RM closed as moved to Stainton (near Kendal). Skarmory (talk • contribs) 22:21, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
Moved to full discussion
[edit]- Category:Canadian Dames Commander of the Order of the British Empire to Category:Canadian dames – C2C: to match sister categories in Category:Canadian recipients of British titles and Category:Dames by country. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:39, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: do you mean rename to Category:Canadian dames Commander of the Order of the British Empire? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:39, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle. No. Since there are only two Canadian women with articles who are dames, making distinction between which order is pointless. Since Canada does not have a system of titles like this, there aren't likely to be more dames. Omnis Scientia (talk) 07:57, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: ok, but I don't think that is speediable. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:27, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle. No. Since there are only two Canadian women with articles who are dames, making distinction between which order is pointless. Since Canada does not have a system of titles like this, there aren't likely to be more dames. Omnis Scientia (talk) 07:57, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:13, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: do you mean rename to Category:Canadian dames Commander of the Order of the British Empire? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:39, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:State of Palestine to Category:Palestine (over disambiguation) and subcategories – C2D per Palestine following the move of the country article at this RM. Note that several of the targets are filled by disambiguation pages from when Palestine was occupied by what is now at Palestine (disambiguation). Timrollpickering (talk) 23:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- This should probably go to full discussion. Per WP:C2D:
it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator
. –Aidan721 (talk) 02:51, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy per above. Regards, Armbrust The Homunculus 16:55, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- This should probably go to full discussion. Per WP:C2D:
- Moved to full discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 9#Palestine. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:56, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Category:American Masters Athlete that competed in Olympics to Category:American Olympic masters athletes – C2A: Title case, grammar Habst (talk) 13:25, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- The proposed title gives the impression that they were masters while they were at the Olympics or competed in an Olympic masters competition, which is not the case – they have been at the Olympics for any NOC and they are American master athletes, which probably is reason for deletion per WP:NONDEF. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 15:04, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Agree with above. A rename is misleading. And yeah this should probably be deleted. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:33, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Aidan721 @Kaffet i halsen, that's fine, but rather than being deleted it should be down-merged into Category:American masters athletes and a subcat of Category:Olympic track and field athletes for the United States. --Habst (talk) 21:07, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Habst, Aidan721, and Kaffet i halsen: feel free to start a fresh discussion at full CfD aimed at merging or deletion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:46, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Aidan721 @Kaffet i halsen, that's fine, but rather than being deleted it should be down-merged into Category:American masters athletes and a subcat of Category:Olympic track and field athletes for the United States. --Habst (talk) 21:07, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:45, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- These are very special / unique individuals that competed as an Olympian, and were capable of continuing to compete later as a Masters athlete. Many Olympians have attempted to continue as a Masters but were unable (due to past injuries or other reasons). Recommend: to not change.
- [Side note: Not part of this conversation: Occasionally the individual has been a both at the same time.] PlainDonut (talk) 21:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
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